Were Old Testament Saints Born Again

Folio 1 of 7

1 2 iii 4 v 6 7 Next >

1. 

   Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

   +vii,551

   United States

   Non-Denom

   Married

   The words "circumcision of the heart" is just another style of saying "born once more" in the Quondam Testament.
   
   Quick Review:
   Circumcision of the Heart in the Sometime Testament.
   (Which is obviously a spiritual renewal of 1'southward heart):

   Deuteronomy 10:16

   "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your middle, and be no more than stiffnecked."

   Deuteronomy 30:half-dozen

   "And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the middle of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

   Jeremiah 4:iv

   "Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come along like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings."

   Ezekiel 44:9

   "Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in mankind, shall enter into my sanctuary, of whatever stranger that is among the children of Israel."

   Leviticus 26:41

   "And that I also take walked opposite unto them, and accept brought them into the state of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they so take of the punishment of their iniquity:."

   Jeremiah 9:26

   "Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart."

   Having A New Heart in the Old Testament:

   Ezekiel eighteen:31

   "Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye take transgressed; and make y'all a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O firm of State of israel?"

   Circumcision of the Heart in the New Attestation:

   Acts 7:51

   "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye exercise always resist the Holy Ghost: equally your fathers did, and so do ye."

   Spiritual Circumcision in the New Testament:

   Philippians 3:3

   "For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and accept no confidence in the flesh."

   Romans 2:28-29

   28 "For he is non a Jew, which is 1 outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

   29 But he is a Jew, which is 1 inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter of the alphabet; whose praise is not of men, merely of God."

   Colossians 2:11

   "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ"
   

   ...

   Last edited: Apr 22, 2021

   • Like ten 3
   • List
   
2. 

   Bible Highlighter Police of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

   +7,551

   United States

   Non-Denom

   Married

   Likewise, here is a clip of John chapter iii taken from the Gospel of John which is verbatim from the GNT (Adept New Translation):

   I mention this considering Jesus implies in his speech to Nicodemus that he should have known about being born again.
   This was not a prophecy that Nicodemus should have known almost. This was an actual reality for the Old Attestation saint that Nicodemus should have been aware of. For Ezekiel 36:26-27 can exist read from the perspective of the Israelite during the fourth dimension of which he lived.

   ...

3. 

   Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

   +vii,551

   Usa

   Non-Denom

   Married

   Also, Numbers 14:24 says of Caleb, "My retainer Caleb, because he has a different Spirit and has followed me fully, I volition bring into this land." And Numbers 27:18 says, "And the Lord said to Moses, 'Take Joshua the son of Nun, in whom is the spirit, and lay your paw upon him.'"

   Then we run across in Numbers xiv, that Caleb has a dissimilar spirit, and we see in Numbers 27, that Joshua has the Spirit.

   Also, David says to God in Psalm 51 not to take His Holy Spirit from Him. Saul once had the Spirit God and then the Lord departed from Him and he committed suicide. So people have been spiritually regenerated (i.e. born again or circumcised in centre) both the Old Attestation and the New Testament. All men are justified by faith thru out time in the Messaih, besides. God doesn't change.

   ...

   Final edited: Apr 22, 2021
4. 

   Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

   +7,551

   The states

   Non-Denom

   Married

   As well, when we read 1 Peter ane:11 it says, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

   Now, who do you lot suppose Peter was talking about? OT or NT believers here in this?

   Come across verse x (one Peter one:x).

   ...

5. 

   Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

   +7,551

   United States

   Not-Denom

   Married

   Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born once again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and k hearest the sound thereof, just canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
   John 3:7-8

   ...equally in:

   26 Just the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother .
   27 For information technology is written, Rejoice, thou arid that bearest non; Suspension along and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
   28 Now we , brethren, as Isaac was , are children of promise .
   29 Simply as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was built-in after the Spirit , and then also it is at present.
   Galatians iv:26-29

   ...

   Last edited: October xxx, 2020
6. 

   Albion Facilitator

   +32,246

   United States

   Anglican

   Married

   They cannot actually take been "built-in once more" in the sense we normally apply that term, because no i was saved PRIOR to Christ's sacrifice. The OT saints awaited the Lord's Resurrection for that.

7. 

   Bible Highlighter Police of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

   +7,551

   U.s.a.

   Non-Denom

   Married

   If what you say is true, then nosotros must conclude that Mary was simply self deceived then when she said,

   "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour"
   (Luke 1:47).​

   
   In other words, you cannot call someone your Savior if they are not saving yous.

   ...

   • Hold 10 one
   • Listing
8. 

   Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

   +7,551

   United States

   Non-Denom

   Married

   I hateful, tin can a person circumcise their middle and live?
   What does circumcised in heart mean in the Old Attestation?
   Is it just meaningless rubbish?
   Did non circumcision stand equally a mark of i who was saved?

   Ezekiel 44:9 says that those who were uncircumcised in heart could non enter the sanctuary. How would one know if they were cicrumcised in centre or non? How could others know if this person was circumcised in heart or not? Truly this is talking most the person who has been changed or regenerated spiritually whereby they would show forth their new and dedicated life to God by their good fruits or deeds (i.e. how they talked and acted in front of others in a truly Godly style).

   ...

9. 

   Albion Facilitator

   +32,246

   Usa

   Anglican

   Married

   The effect is non "Who tin salvage me?" Obviously, only God can do that. The questions are about "when?" and "how?"

10. 

    Bible Highlighter Police force of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +vii,551

    U.s.

    Not-Denom

    Married

    Mary did not sound similar she was expecting God to salvage her at some future date. She did not say I volition rejoice in God who volition one twenty-four hours be my Savior. Mary said God was her Savior in the present tense. it was a present moment reality for her when she said it.

    ...

11. 

    Greg J. Well-Known Fellow member Supporter

    +1,893

    United States

    Christian

    Unmarried

    I tell you the truth: Amongst those born of women in that location has non risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; even so he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Matthew 11:xi, 1984 NIV)

12. 

    Albion Facilitator

    +32,246

    U.s.

    Anglican

    Married

    Her words here are non considered to be peculiar or controversial by any churches, to the best of my knowledge. She quite reasonably WOULD have expected or hoped for God to save her...just like the Hebrews generally did.

13. 

    ZacharyB charismatic believer for 23 years

    Aye, old Nic should have been enlightened of the Ezekiel prophecy
    about the futurity re: Messianic Christians (and Gentile believers)!

    The arrival of the precious Holy Spirit to indwell believers was a
    revolutionary thing and was to accompany the believer's new nature.
    A office of the glorious new and improve covenant (ref: God).

    No ane in the old covenant had the indwelling Holy Spirit.
    A couple of times, a prophet said God's Spirit was IN him.
    But, IMO, he was mistaken ... the Spirit came UPON the prophets,
    and occasionally kings like David.

    The idea that OT believers had the indwelling Holy Spirit
    is only as crazy as
    the idea that anyone will be raptured before the great tribulation of the antichrist.

14. According to Jewish idea of the day, there were eight ways to exist born again, of which Nicodemus qualified for six. The phrase "truly, truly, I say unto you" can also be translated equally "amen, amen", which affirms what was only said, rather than emphasizes what is about to be said.

    http://www.hadavar.org/getting-to-know-god/you-must-exist-born-again/

15. 

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +seven,551

    The states

    Non-Denom

    Married

    This is very foreign why folks don't take what is patently written in Scripture. It says right in Galatians iv:28-29 that Isaac was born of the Spirit.

    ...

16. 

    ZacharyB charismatic laic for 23 years

    "he that was born after the mankind persecuted him that was built-in after the Spirit"
    Isaac was born in accordance with the plan-wishes-blessings of God.
    He would exist used of God because ...
    he would be following afterward God, doing His volition, fulfilling His programme, and etc.

    All we're talking nigh is who had the Holy Spirit inside of them.

17. 

    Bible Highlighter Police force of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +7,551

    The states

    Not-Denom

    Married

    I sympathise that is how other people may rationalize it, but it just does not do justice to the text.

    Also, how tin can God circumcise a person'south heart without them dying?

    ...

18. 

    Arsenios Russian Orthodox Winter Baptism, Valaam Monastery, Supporter

    +982

    Eastern Orthodox

    Individual

    US-Constitution

    I did another thread on this, and came to a conclusion in information technology, that at that place is indeed Salvation in the Onetime Attestation - You demand become no further than David writing in Psalm 51 begging the Lord to "Restore unto me the Joy of Thy Salvation, and renew a right spirit within me..." Then there IS Salvation in the OT, and it IS the Salvation of the Holy Spirit suffusing a person and abiding in and on him...

    And there is no difference betwixt this Salvation and the visitation and abidance of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, which was given to Cornelius and the Apostles on Pentecost... And information technology is this Salvation that is given to many Christians to this solar day, where they walk in the Holy Spirit dwelling within them...

    Information technology is Not, notwithstanding, Salvation in Christ, which is something else entirely...

    And THAT Salvation I am reserving for the other thread...

    But you lot are right - There IS Conservancy in the OT...

    Arsenios

19. 

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +7,551

    U.s.

    Non-Denom

    Married

    Paul says,

    one "Moreover, brethren, I would non that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the deject, and all passed through the bounding main;

    4 And did all beverage the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Stone was Christ." (one Corinthians 10:1, ane Corinthians 10:4).

    Jesus says,

    "Just whosoever drinketh of the h2o that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the h2o that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing upwards into everlasting life."
    (John 4:fourteen).

    ...

    • Like ten 1
    • List
20. 

    Arsenios Russian Orthodox Wintertime Baptism, Valaam Monastery, Supporter

    +982

    Eastern Orthodox

    Private

    Usa-Constitution

    You omitted vss two and 3 -
    These are disquisitional and important and essential:

    one "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant,
    how that all our fathers were under the cloud,
    and all passed through the body of water;

    2 And were all baptized into Moses
    in the cloud
    and
    in the body of water

    3 And all ate
    the same
    Spiritual Meat;

    iv And all drank the same Spiritual drink:
    for they drank from that Spiritual Rock
    that followed them:
    and that Stone was Christ."
    
    #ii is the key, you see, and you lot encounter it in the Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Human, where, later he died, Lazarus was comfortably reposing in the chest of Moses, having eaten of the Spiritual Meat of suffering, later on having been baptized into Mose...
    Christians, yous meet, are Not Baptized into Moses ,
    under the deject,
    and in the Cherry Sea

    But instead Christ was baptized by John in the Jordan...
    And WE are Baptized into Christ ...
    Whereby we take put on Christ ...
    Wherein we have become:
    A New Cosmos in Christ.

    Gal three:27
    For as many of y'all
    As accept been baptized into Christ
    Take put on Christ.
    
    THAT, you see, IS our New Creation IN Christ...
    And simply past being Baptized INTO Christ...
    Are we afterward IN Christ...
    No rocket science here...

    Yes - But the incarnate Christ tin can make this merits...
    Prior to His Expiry and Resurrection...
    INTO which We are Baptized...
    ALL were Baptized INTO MOSES
    In the Dark Cloud...
    And in the Ruby-red Body of water...

    Arsenios

Page i of 7

1 two 3 4 five half dozen 7 Next >

• Close Menu
• Forums
  • Search Forums
  • Contempo Posts
• Media
• Bible
• Donate
• Back up
• Blogs
• Search

colemanthishatthe.blogspot.com

Source: https://www.christianforums.com/threads/old-testament-saints-were-born-again.7943214/

Share this post